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Monday, August 10, 2026

12 or 20 (second series) questions with Dario Cvencek

Dario Cvencek is an immigrant poet from the Balkans and a research scientist at the University of Washington. By day he studies how children construct identity. By night—or by whatever hour the poem arrives—he writes about war, trauma, displacement, and the slow, stubborn work of rebuilding a self in a new language. His words have appeared in Rattle, Zone 3, Hobart, and numerous other independent literary magazines and presses. His debut full-length collection PTSD Martini was published by Carbonation Press in 2025, with his follow-up collection Mirror Made of Words being released in 2026. He started writing poetry as a teenager during the Bosnian War. He has not stopped.

1 - How did your first book change your life? How does your most recent work compare to your previous? How does it feel different?
My first full-length collection, PTSD Martini, marked the point where writing stopped being abstract and became something concrete, even necessary. It was the first time I fully confronted war and its psychological aftermath in a sustained way. In that sense, it changed my life because it forced me to stop observing trauma from a distance and instead write directly through it.

My newer work, Mirror Made of Words, feels like a continuation of that arc, but from a different psychological space. If the first book is about confrontation, the second is about what happens after falling apart—reflection, integration, and self-discovery. The emotional register shifts, but the underlying question remains the same: how does a person rebuild meaning after fragmentation? The two collections are kind of like the two sides of the same coin.

2 - How did you come to poetry first, as opposed to, say, fiction or non-fiction?
Poetry was always of interest to me because it is short, immediate, and in a way impulsive art form. There is an urgency to express something in real time, without the extended scaffolding that fiction or non-fiction often requires. That compression felt closer to how I experience thought and emotion—less linear, more fragmentary, and more instinctive.

I was drawn to the idea that a poem can begin as a single charged moment—an image, a line, a feeling—and still carry enough weight to stand on its own. That immediacy is what pulled me toward poetry in the first place.

3 - How long does it take to start any particular writing project? Does your writing initially come quickly, or is it a slow process? Do first drafts appear looking close to their final shape, or does your work come out of copious notes?
Writing for me tends to come quickly. It usually begins as an impulse that arrives in the form of either an opening line or the final line of a piece. From there, I build outward around that initial core idea or structure.

First drafts are often very close to their final shape. I might make small adjustments afterwards—refining word choice, adjusting spacing, or tightening rhythm—but the underlying structure typically remains intact. I think that immediacy helps preserve a certain rawness and emotional clarity in the work, which is important to me.

4 - Where does a poem usually begin for you? Are you working toward a book from the beginning, or do poems accumulate into a larger project?
Poems for me often begin as individual emotional or conceptual units—an image, a line, or a specific internal pressure that needs to be translated into language quickly. They rarely start as part of a planned structure. However, over time I’ve realized that those fragments will eventually  organize themselves into something larger, even before I consciously name it as a book.

With PTSD Martini, I was more aware of that underlying organization from the beginning. I wasn’t only writing individual poems about war, displacement, and loss of identity—I was also thinking about how a reader moves through those states over time. In that sense, the collection was designed as a kind of emotional progression rather than a journalistic archive of pieces.

Even when the material sounds fragmented, there is still structure shaping how it is received. The book begins in a rough emotional terrain and gradually shifts, not necessarily toward resolution, but toward a kind of earned clarity: what emerges when lived experience is processed over time.

5 - Are public readings part of or counter to your creative process? Do you enjoy doing readings?
Through hosting Speak Out Seattle, I’ve come to understand public readings on a much larger scale. What began as a simple idea for a fun night out with a friend has, over time, grown into something closer to community organizing and cultural work. It’s a monthly curated showcase of poetry, music, and comedy featuring local artists across the Greater Seattle area, with a strong focus on marginalized and underrepresented voices, and we’ve recently been fortunate to receive funding from King County through 4Culture to support its continued growth.

We’re now in our fourth year, and it has become something steady and living—attendance and participation remain strong, which speaks to the need it fills. In many ways, it functions as cultural infrastructure: cross-pollinating various art performance spaces across the city, showing up at other open mics, and helping new voices find each other and a stage. Over time, it has become less a “project” and more a community—people returning month after month, building relationships through shared attention and shared vulnerability—which has fundamentally shaped how I think about readings as not separate from poetry, but as one of the ways poetry becomes something real out there in the world.

6 - Do you have theoretical concerns behind your writing? What kinds of questions are you trying to answer?
On one level, I’m interested in identity as a cognitive structure—how the self connects to categories, memories, and experiences. On another level, I’m interested in how personal memory becomes a collective narrative, and how that narrative eventually becomes something like a myth.

A central tension in my work is the balance between the deeply personal and the universally accessible. How do you write something specific enough to be true, but open enough that someone else can enter it? That balance between uniqueness and relatability is something I’m constantly negotiating.

7 - What do you see the current role of the writer being in larger culture?
I think the role of the writer is no longer singular or fixed. Writing exists simultaneously as a private process and as a public intervention.

On one hand, it is deeply internal—a way of organizing experience and working through emotional or psychological complexity. On the other hand, once it enters the public sphere, it becomes collective. It engages readers, communities, and sometimes political realities.

In that sense, writing can also function as resistance. Not necessarily in an overt way, but by insisting on visibility, emotional truth, and complexity in a world that often flattens those things. I also think there is an increasingly important role for writers as historians of the present. When lived experience is constantly relativized and distorted through media ecosystems, misinformation, and competing political narratives, writers are often the ones doing a kind of slow, observational record-keeping. Not in the sense of replacing journalism, but in the sense of bearing witness. One role of the writer is to preserve texture, detail, and emotional truth so that what is happening is not only what is circulated, but also what is actually experienced. 

8 - Do you find working with an outside editor difficult or essential (or both)?
I think working with an outside editor is essential, but not always comfortable. Writing, especially poetry, is such a subjective process that you often become attached to the logic of how something arrived on the page. An outside editor disrupts that intimacy in a productive way. They see the structure rather than the emotional pathway you took to get there.

For me, the best editorial relationships are not about correction, but about clarity. Someone who can say: this is what the poem is doing, and this is what it is actually communicating, regardless of intent. That distance is valuable. It forces a kind of recalibration between emotional truth and formal precision. 

9 - What is the best piece of advice you’ve heard (not necessarily given to you directly)?
One idea that has stayed with me is the importance of continuing to write even when you don’t fully understand what you’re writing about yet. Meaning for me often arrives after the fact. I don’t always begin with clarity: I begin with fragments, and understanding comes later through revision and distance.

In a broader sense, I also return to the idea that all storytelling is reconstruction. That means, as artists, we are never simply reporting experience; instead, we are shaping it into something that can be carried on by someone else. That shift in responsibility changes how I approach the work. 

10 - What kind of writing routine do you tend to keep, or do you even have one? What does a typical day look like?
My writing routine is not highly structured in a traditional sense. My work emerges in short, concentrated bursts rather than long uninterrupted sessions. So instead of a single “writing day,” it’s more like a continuous process of accumulation and return. 

11 - When your writing gets stalled, where do you turn or return for inspiration?
I don’t usually experience much stalling in my writing, because my inspiration usually comes from everyday encounters rather than a separate “creative state.” It’s less about waiting for ideas and more about noticing when language starts forming around ordinary moments.

Often, it’s something very small. An overheard phrase. A brief interaction. Or a visual detail that carries emotional weight. Those moments tend to accumulate until they become poems without needing a deliberate search for inspiration.

When I do feel stuck, I don’t try to force new material. I return to observation: walking, listening, being in public space, or simply paying closer attention to how people speak and move. I also find that reading other authors or attending live readings helps reset that attention, because it reminds me that language is always happening around us. 

12 - What fragrance reminds you of home?
Home, for me, is less a single scent than a composite of sensory memory. It’s made up of older, more fragmented impressions of place: pine trees along the Adriatic, my mother’s goulash stew, freshly printed comic books in mid-80s, elevators in old socialist buildings—the kinds of everyday smells that accumulate quietly during childhood.

At the same time, I don’t think of home as something fixed enough to be reduced to one thing. It shifts depending on where I am and what life stage I’m in. At this point, home is as much Seattle as anywhere else, so even the salty air of the Pacific and the smell of hiking through the woods have become part of that definition.

13 - What influences your work beyond books—nature, music, science, visual art?
My influences are layered and come from multiple directions. Nature is a constant source of inspiration for me, especially being around large bodies of water—on them, near them, and moving through them. There’s something about that physical space that often finds its way into my poems.

Contemporary global events also shape my work in an ongoing way, particularly the way violence and conflict are mediated through news cycles and constant digital exposure. That repeated filtering of reality inevitably becomes part of the emotional atmosphere of the writing.

Finally, my scientific research strongly informs how I think about identity. I don’t see identity as a fixed trait, but as a dynamic cognitive structure shaped by experience, association, and context. That framework quietly underpins a lot of how I approach both writing and observation.

14 - What writers or intellectual influences matter most to your work?
Charles Bukowski is an important influence on my work—not for any formal approach, but for the rawness and directness of his voice. There’s something instructive in his refusal to embellish experience, his commitment to staying close to the grit of lived reality. I find that clarity useful as a reminder that emotional force doesn’t require explanation or excess framing.

Leonard Cohen, on the other hand, is central for very different reasons—especially his sense of musicality in language and his spiritual dimension. His work often feels like it sits between poem and song, where rhythm, repetition, and cadence carry as much meaning as the words themselves. I’m drawn to how his lyrics operate almost liturgically at times, moving between intimacy and transcendence, and how he uses spiritual themes not as abstraction but as lived emotional space. That blend of musical structure and metaphysical inquiry is something I return to often in my own writing.

For me, both of these influences sit in productive tension: Bukowski pulls me toward immediacy and unfiltered presence, while Cohen pulls me toward musical form, spiritual depth, and layered meaning.

15 - What would you like to do that you haven’t yet done?
I would like to record an album. A fair number of my poems already exist in a song form, and I would like to bring them fully into that space and record them. Some of them feel like quiet, acoustic ballads, while others lean more toward something raw and energetic—almost punk in tone and delivery.

I’ve had an idea for a record called something like “Soft and Hard” maybe, structured as a kind of dual experience: a Side A made up of more reflective ballads, and a Side B that shifts into something louder, more confrontational, borderline punk. It feels like a natural extension of the emotional range that already exists in my writing.

16 - If you could choose another occupation, what would it be?
If I weren’t a research scientist, I would most likely devote myself more fully to writing and poetry. In reality, though, I already don’t see these as entirely separate occupations. My scientific work and my poetry are both ways of engaging with the same central question: how human identity is formed, internalized, and reshaped over time.

In my research work, I study how early evaluative systems—both automatic and deliberative—develop in childhood and how they shape identity, attitudes, and decision-making.

My poetry approaches the same questions from a different angle—through lived experience, language, and memory. I often write about displacement, trauma, immigration, and the slow process of rebuilding a sense of self in a new language and culture.

Because of that, I don’t really experience science and poetry as separate paths, but as complementary ways of thinking about the same problem. One uses data and controlled methods, the other uses voice and form, but both are ultimately trying to understand how identity takes shape and how it changes across contexts, places, and languages.

17 - What made you write, as opposed to doing something else?
Writing emerged out of necessity more than choice. Growing up through displacement and moving across countries and continents meant constantly renegotiating identity, language, and belonging. Writing became a way to stabilize and examine those shifting internal landscapes.

It also evolved alongside scientific writing, where English became a primary mode of expressing myself. Over time, writing became less of a separate activity and more of a shared structure across different parts of my life.

18 - What was the last great book or film you experienced?
Two recent films that stayed with me are I Love Boosters and Silent Friend, and I find it interesting how differently they operate emotionally and formally.

I Love Boosters feels expansive, energetic, almost chaotic in its forward momentum—it leans into movement, social texture, and a kind of outward-facing intensity. Silent Friend, by contrast, is restrained, observational, and inward-looking. It’s a film built out of silence, slowness, and attention to what happens at the edges of human connection.

That contrast is something I also recognize in my poetry. I tend to move between those two dimensions: at times writing in a more direct, emotionally charged voice, and at other times working through restraint, fragmentation, and silence. Both approaches are ways of dealing with the same underlying question—how experience becomes language, and how much of it can be shared with others so it resonates on a deeper level.

19 - What are you currently working on?
I’m currently working on several chapbooks that explore war, migration, identity, and political tension from both personal and global perspectives.

Politics Is a Whore focuses on contemporary geopolitics, imperial violence, and the contradictions of modern democracies, shaped by my experience of growing up during the Bosnian War. Honey Is Thicker Than Blood turns inward toward home, belonging, and cultural inheritance, reflecting on what is carried across displacement—language, memory, and childhood landscapes. Ghosts With Passports explores the emotional reality of immigration itself, moving between political critique and intimate immigrant experience, and asking what it means to live across borders of geography and identity. Together, these projects form a broader attempt to understand how trauma, memory, and belonging continue to shape who we become long after displacement.

I also continue to be deeply engaged with Speak Out Seattle, an ongoing community poetry and performance series that has grown into a sustained platform for artists across Seattle. What began as an open mic has become a long-term effort in community-building and cultural infrastructure—creating space for voices that might otherwise remain unheard.

12 or 20 (second series) questions;

Wednesday, July 29, 2026

12 or 20 (second series) questions with Jacob Schepers

Jacob Schepers is the author of two poetry collections, Ugly Ground Swell Moss (Carbonation Press, 2026) and A Bundle of Careful Compromises (Outriders Poetry Project, 2014), as well as the chapbook Connections & Choreography (Bottlecap Press, 2024), and the micro-chap Shipwreck Abstracted (Ghost City Press, 2024). A Best-of-the-Net nominee, he has published his writing in places like antiphony, Blue Bag Press, CAPGRAS, Dialogist, Heavy Feather Review, Hobart, Indianapolis Review, MEMEZINE, Psaltery & Lyre, The Shore, and elsewhere. With Sara Judy, he co-edits ballast, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit literary journal. He received his PhD and MFA from the University of Notre Dame, where he is now the Assistant Director for Outreach and Research Partnerships for the Franco Family Institute for Liberal Arts and the Public Good. He lives in South Bend, Indiana, with his wife and their four children. More at jacobschepers.com and on Instagram @jacobschepers.

2 - How did you come to poetry first, as opposed to, say, fiction or non-fiction?

I came to poetry through an ear for music and a mind for analysis. I’ve committed poems to paper since I was ten, but I found myself drawn to the philosophical and atomistic effects that different word combinations might elicit. Coupled with some formative years in garage bands scribbling lyrics and testing out the embodied stage presence of live performance and readings, a surge toward poetry seemed rather inevitable. In short, I was and am a big reader and have a broad appreciation for narrative and world-building, but I have more of a tinkerer’s fascination with disparate linguistic parts and a performer’s reliance on channeling voice and emotion to a desired but unpredictable end. All of that led to my first book, A Bundle of Careful Compromises, which emerged as a creative outlet for a master’s thesis on contemporary elegy. I wrote that during my time in the University at Buffalo’s Poetics Program under the direction of Steve McCaffery. It’s been poetry, poetry, poetry ever since.

4 - Where does a poem usually begin for you? Are you an author of short pieces that end up combining into a larger project, or are you working on a "book" from the very beginning?

            A poem begins as a cerebral pool of an idea that I let coagulate and spread out. I’m not a “go out into nature” and “recollect my thoughts in tranquility” Wordsworthian poet. I write frenetically and neurotically while that pool gathers. I try to coast on that energy as intensely as I can until the work feels as initially “complete” as possible–sometimes that happens within a two-week span up to two months. At the very least, I note and sketch out the gist of the idea so that I can build it out with more precision and care afterwards. Regardless, those first drops in the pool are the most crucial times for a creative project so I wait for them with fervent anticipation and respond accordingly when they come. As a result, I’m most definitely in the “book” camp rather than the “collection” camp. I’m an adherent to Jack Spicer’s preference for the serial poem after his After Lorca and find his description of a single, disconnected poem as a “one night stand” to be quite apt. That’s not knocking anyone who does write single poems bound together in a carefully arranged collection, it’s just not been my creative experience nor my personal aesthetic preference.

5 - Are public readings part of or counter to your creative process? Are you the sort of writer who enjoys doing readings?

            I adore poetry readings of all sizes, intimate house parties to large lecture halls. I am, however, a rather infrequent public reader. I wish I could do more of them, so when an opportunity comes along, I do jump at the chance. I don an anxious and highly expressive affect for in-person readings. There’s a zaniness I aspire to in my public readings and readily incorporate musicality and theatricality amid the poems–be that as crooning Elvis’s “Are You Lonesome Tonight” to a slideshow of Pet Rocks or singing John Denver with my banjo and a prop arrow through my head à la Steve Martin. I thoroughly enjoy bringing that as a multi-modal dimension to my writing which, on the page alone, can come across as abstract, even aloof, and syntactically dense.

6 - Do you have any theoretical concerns behind your writing? What kinds of questions are you trying to answer with your work? What do you even think the current questions are?

            I have virtually only theoretical concerns behind my writing. I’ve stated earlier I have a rather analytical mind, but I don’t have a systematic one; I’d make a lousy philosopher, but I’m fascinated with the questions that theory explores. What’s more: poetry lets me get away with merely posing a question without offering a definitive answer. I get to unearth one geode, hold it up to the light, behold it for a while, let the mystery of the thing be, set it back down, and unearth another one.

            Given that preamble, I’m deeply invested in Joan Retallack’s “poethics,” in ecopoetics broadly construed, in weaponized language, in sociotechnological blackboxes and poetry’s encounter (and corruption and subversion and repurposing) of such processes. I return over and over to Adorno to ponder negative dialectics and the ethical position of indeterminacy and the tactical refusal against instrumentalized reason. If I had to bundle all that up into a central question, I’d frame it as follows: How does poetry in particular offer a way to think of an alternative to the proposition that “humanity is the measure of all things,” and how might poetic approaches to language construct an under-recognized possibility for us to consider ourselves, encounter one another, and experience the world beyond us.

7 – What do you see the current role of the writer being in larger culture? Do they even have one? What do you think the role of the writer should be?

            I’m not a prescriptivist when it comes to the social and cultural function of the writer. I have very little standing to be one anyways. So I can only speak for myself here. I’ll offer the role that–if I’m lucky–I’m able to play: gadfly. Not some systematic Socrates figure, mind you, but a legitimate annoyance for and disrupter to business-as-usual. I want to be a gnat. I want my work to be a buzz saying “Think otherwise. Do otherwise. Be otherwise.” That comes across as cloyingly grandiose, but I assure you that I’m earnest to a fault.

8 - Do you find the process of working with an outside editor difficult or essential (or both)?

            Essential. 100%. Now, that’s not to say that writerly vision doesn’t play a part and that there’s a certain “wholeness” that a writer might need to insist upon. That may especially be the case for poetry’s idiosyncrasies (and perhaps for the librettists and playwrights) compared to fiction or nonfiction. But after the initial execution of the work in draft form–especially once an editor or press picks up that work–the collaboration that follows is a process I find incredibly generative in a creative sense and significantly meaningful on a human level at a time when competition, siloing, and cutthroat paranoia seems to be de rigueur in the corporate world and beyond.

9 - What is the best piece of advice you've heard (not necessarily given to you directly)?

I’m a big fan of David Antin and his talk poems. This may not be so much a piece of advice but rather an articulation of an aesthetic practice that I’ve run with: In a conversation with Charles Bernstein, Antin once shared his experience reading Simone Weil and his struggle with understanding the seemingly commonplace and unchallenged terms to which she was referring, words, he says, like “Loss” “Value” “Power.” But as I looked at them I found out I didn’t understand them at all. So I started to write them down, thinking that by writing them down, I could concentrate on them, ask them questions and find out what meanings they might conceal. And I saw that my not-understanding could be a way to go on. And as I went on with this writing down I didn’t think about whether I was writing poems. I was thinking. And the more I was thinking, the more there was I didn’t understand. 

His insistence on “not understanding” and the generative uncertainty that poetry thrives on has remained a lasting influence on me. That impulse runs throughout my latest book Ugly Ground Swell Moss in which the whole engine of the work consists of an endlessly and obsessively negotiated confrontation of relations, identities, and ethical consequences.

12 - When your writing gets stalled, where do you turn or return for (for lack of a better word) inspiration?

            Boredom is, in fact, my preferred teacher and guide. I like to sit with it, the restlessness of it, and feel my creative energies churning out something on the other side. That said, I enjoy sitting in academic lectures and talks–often outside of the subject of poetry–and see what some infusion of interdisciplinarity might bring to the surface in ways I would unlikely stumble over solely by myself.

16 - What would you like to do that you haven't yet done?

I’m dying to make it down to the New Orleans Poetry Festival (NOPF) one of these years. With four kids at home–two of them quite young still–and a day job, I have to be rather selective with traveling and conferences, but NOPF is at the top of the list. It always looks to be a fantastic gathering, and New Orleans has become something of a poetry-lover’s dream community.

17 - If you could pick any other occupation to attempt, what would it be? Or, alternately, what do you think you would have ended up doing had you not been a writer?

            I consider myself incredibly fortunate to end up where I landed–writing and editing for the love of the game, teaching a selection of classes at the University of Notre Dame, and supporting the liberal arts and higher education through my work there in the Franco Institute. That said, an alternative dream career could have been as a casting director. There’s something about the je ne sais quoi of analyzing an actor’s “fit” for a role or how multiple actors’ “chemistry” come together that I find fascinating.

19 - What was the last great book you read? What was the last great film?

Last great book: Henry Goldkamp’s Balloon Animal from Mike Corrao’s phenomenal press CLOAK. A riotous, punny, raucous sendup of performativity and theatricality.

If I may, I’ll tweak the question from last great film to last great album: Never Before Seen, Never Again Found by Arm’s Length, a leading fifth-wave emo band out of Quinte West, ON. The album came out in 2022 but has been on repeat for me ever since. Perhaps unsurprisingly given my affinity for serial poetics, I’m a fan of the album-as-unit, and anyone who’s got a spare forty minutes to sit with this album straight through is in for a treat.

20 - What are you currently working on?

I’m hardly a “write every day” kind of poet. I strike while the iron’s hot. That said, I’m fortunate these days to have a few projects in various stages of development. I’m shopping around a manuscript about the year following the birth of my fourth kid and my subsequent vasectomy two weeks later–it’s a cheeky, confessional, bratty work called Vasectomajestic that I’m pretty excited about. I’m also planning out a kind of extended review/lyric essay on David Lowery’s A24 film The Green Knight that also unpacks a nasty case of shingles I had last year. I’ve also just started writing a series called Glitch Whelps that rages against digital surveillance, AI and big tech shenanigans, privacy violations, and all the usual late-capitalist horrors.

12 or 20 (second series) questions;

Thursday, July 23, 2026

12 or 20 (second series) questions with David Allen Sullivan

David Allen Sullivan is the former poet laureate of Santa Cruz county. His books include: Strong-Armed Angels, Every Seed of the Pomegranate, a book of co-translation with Abbas Kadhim from the Arabic of Iraqi Adnan Al-Sayegh, Bombs Have Not Breakfasted Yet, and Black Ice. He won the Mary Ballard Chapbook poetry prize for Take Wing, and Tim Seibles selected Black Butterflies Over Baghdad for the Hilary Tham capital collection, Word Works Books. Salt Pruning, a co-authored book of poems with Ignatius Valentine Aloysius, was published by Hummingbird Poetry Press, and another book they co-wrote, Everything I Touch Is—and Isn’t—You, is out from Roadside Press. Also, an anthology of poems about the art of Bosch and Bruegel, which he co-edited with his art historian mother before she passed, Magpie on the Gallows, is out from Carbonation Press. He teaches at Cabrillo College, where he edits the Porter Gulch Review with his students, and lives in Santa Cruz with his family: https://dasulliv1.wixsite.com/website-1.

1 - How did your first book or chapbook change your life? How does your most recent work compare to your previous? How does it feel different?

My first book was called, Strong Armed Angels. It is a highly personal reckoning with becoming a new father to my son, the grief of having a stillborn daughter who died right before birth of court entanglement, and moves on to celebrate the birth of our second child, a girl who still feels like a gift. Yet the book also wrestles with having a friend struggle with depression for over a close friend who murdered his ex-wife’s lover, and then took his own life. But even in my first book there are outward turning poems that try to give voice to the dispossessed and marginalized: a Vietnamese woman whose husband has left; a Russian Orthodox priest; a poem in the voice of a dog. Here’s a playful poem from that book, “Warnings”.

A can of self-defense pepper spray says it may
irritate the eyes, while a bathroom heater says it’s
not to be used in bathrooms. I collect warnings
the way I used to collect philosophy quotes. 

Wittgenstein’s There’s no such thing
as clear milk rubs shoulders with a box
of rat poison which has been found
to cause cancer in laboratory mice. 

Levinas’ Language is a battering ram—
a sign that says the very fact of saying,
is as inscrutable as the laser pointer’s advice:
Do not look into laser with remaining eye. 

Last week I boxed up the solemn row
of philosophy tomes and carted them down
to the used bookstore. The dolly read:
Not to be used to transport humans. 

Did lawyers insist that the 13-inch wheel
on the wheelbarrow proclaim it’s
not intended for highway use? Or that
Curling iron is for external use only? 

Abram says that realists render material
to give the reader the illusion of the ordinary.
What would he make of this injunction? Shin pads
cannot protect any part of the body they do not cover. 

I load boxes of books onto the counter. Flip
to a yellow-highlighted passage in Aristotle:
Whiteness which lasts for a long time is no whiter
than whiteness which lasts only a day. 

A.A.ers talk about the blinding glare of the obvious:
Objects in the mirror are actually behind you.
Electric cattle prod only to be used on animals.
Warning: Knives are sharp.
Thank you! 

What would I have done without: remove infant
before folding for storage, Do not use hair dryer
while sleeping, Eating pet rocks may lead to broken teeth,
Do not use deodorant intimately
? 

Goodbye to all those books that sought to puncture
the illusory world—not unlike the warning on the
polyester Halloween outfit I bought for my son:
Superman costume will not enable you to fly.

2 - How did you come to poetry first, as opposed to, say, fiction or non-fiction?

I started writing poetry as an adolescent. I’ve also written plays and screenplays. When I try to write a novel, it keeps coming out as poetry. Something about the personal that I find threaded through images is revelatory for me. Poetry also allows me to explore multiple perspectives, as in my two books about the Iraq war, in the voices of US soldiers and citizens, and in the voices of Iraqi soldiers and citizens. In the first, Every Seed of the Pomegranate, there are even poems in the voice of angels—creatures shared by Christians and Muslims alike. The second book, Black butterflies over Baghdad, is largely about Iraq after we left. I wanted to include their voices, so there are nine poets I co-translated with friends who speak Arabic. A poem from Seeds:

The Day the Beekeeper Died: Sulaymaniyah

By David Sullivan
        His daughter pulls on
                 her father’s frayed dishdasha
                                            to go check the bees. 

Today she doesn’t
         carry the smoke canister
                                 with her to the field. 

She opens a tray
         while talking down their high whine,
                                 breaks off honeycomb 

and rubs it over
         her face and hair, over white
                                 cloth, down to her feet. 

Each of her hands holds
         the crumbling comb like a sponge
                                 while she waits for them. 

When the first one comes
         she feels wings against her toes,
                                 a tongue unscrolling. 

She wills herself not
         to laugh as the next alights
                                 on her neck, tickling 

her hairs as it walks.
         Then they descend to shoulders,
                                 forearms, chest, thighs, eyes 

she shuts—she feels the
         thousand tongues on the cloth.
                                 Feather-like wings churn 

in her ears, rustle
         and hum with agitated talk.
                                 Never been so loved. 

Her father’s alive,
         she’s a torch of burning bees,
                                 tears course across cheeks. 

When her mother sees
         the apparition of bees
                                 walking towards their door 

she falls on her knees.
         It is the end of the world.
                                 But when the angel 

speaks with her daughter’s
         voice she’s not amazed. Mama,
                                 how do I end this? 

Her mother brushes
         bees away from her eyes, pulls
                                 them from her hair and 

undresses her child,
         hanging the winged dishdasha
                                 on the clothes line. 

Carries her naked
         girl into the house to bathe.
                                 The bee-like angels 

take all day to strip
         honey from the robe, return
                                 it to their tiered home.

3 - How long does it take to start any particular writing project? Does your writing initially come quickly, or is it a slow process? Do first drafts appear looking close to their final shape, or does your work come out of copious notes?

I have always felt that my poems and books have chosen me. Some image or voice compels me, I take down notes, and find myself already halfway down a path. Much of it forces me to listen to other voices, do a wealth of research, and read and read and read. The same thing is true for the writing. I may have landed on initial ideas, but the poems need to be reworked over and over again, until I feel it exhausted my ability to make them better.

4 - Where does a poem usually begin for you? Are you an author of short pieces that end up combining into a larger project, or are you working on a "book" from the very beginning?

The image. Sometimes a word. Or a phrase. It is as if I have grabbed hold of one thread and I begin to pull on it. The tapestry only slowly comes into focus the more I weave with what I’m given. Sometimes a poem comes to me in a dream, or is jotted down when half asleep. Those are the gift poems. I don’t take credit for them.

5 - Are public readings part of or counter to your creative process? Are you the sort of writer who enjoys doing readings? 

I love reading. My own work, and others. I think there’s a whole other art to performing poetry. I try to avoid the sing song preciousness of the Poet’s voice, and instead embody the work of the poem in a new form. I co-host and open mic reading series, and I’ve been deeply moved by some of the spoken word poets, who are now my friends.

6 - Do you have any theoretical concerns behind your writing? What kinds of questions are you trying to answer with your work? What do you even think the current questions are?

I think I don’t know what I’m thinking or feeling until I’ve written about it. The act of writing is first for myself. To understand my place in the world, and the world inside me. But I’ve also found writing can push me out into the world, make me interview others, learn from them. Before writing comes listening. To the sounds of nature. To wildlife. To the person sitting opposite me. Some of my good poet friends are Iraqi. I’m humbled by what they’ve shared with me, and what they’ve said about my feeble attempts to give voice to their experiences. Here is an example:

Calculations

Occupying forces allow us 1 Kalashnikov
per family, 3 families per house, 1 improvised
bomb shelter. We acquire gas masks times
number of residents.
                                   Local governments allow
1 ration card per adult: kilo rice, kilo flour, kilo
dried beans. Bread is improvised, sawdust
a viable substitute. 1 guard dog
                                                    (average).
1 adult per 4 children, 2 eyes
per family member (average), average
life expectancy 39 (men), 46 (women).

This is not how it was.
This is all I’ve ever known.
This is for your own good.
This is for good.
For goods.
For God.
This has never been good.

We calculate blast radiuses, annual rainfall,
chances of making it to the grocer
                                                        (and back).
Estimate the wait in line
for petrol, the, percentage increase the boys
hawking petrol will charge.
                                               We count
supplies: valium, cotton swabs,
band aids, ace wraps, gauze,
needle and surgical thread,
scissors,
            Advil,
                        Codeine,
                                    Phenazepam,
                                                cotton balls
Qu’ran, prayer rugs (times number
in family), a Bible to placate foreign soldiers,
a Torah, one citizen card per adult,
                                                          numbers
for calling on local Sheikhs, local
police, the local hospital, local
                                                  morgue.
We collect dark jokes:

How’s every Iraqi joke begin?
            By looking over your shoulder.

One ski mask. One parachute.
Rope as long as the well is deep.
Stolen flexi-cuffs. Hoarded bullets.
Rifle grease. Cloths.
                                 Phrases
foreigners will find inoffensive.
Cigarettes (for barter). Cigarettes
(for the end of days).
                                    One roll black tape.

7 – What do you see the current role of the writer being in larger culture? Do they even have one? What do you think the role of the writer should be?

Poets are the lightning rods of society. They channel harsh dark forces, and protect others. They give voice to the marginalized, the under representative, the ones who have been silenced. They are vital because they see the complexity of the issues, and don’t trust didactic claims. Instead, they delve in the minutia of lived experience. Not delivering answers, but asking the crucial questions.

8 - Do you find the process of working with an outside editor difficult or essential (or both)?

Some of my books have had editors that have helped me revise and change the entire manuscript. Others have been more handoff. I’m always looking for critical voices that help me articulate my own.

9 - What is the best piece of advice you've heard (not necessarily given to you directly)?

My painter friend from Palestine, Thea Abuelhaj, and her Vermont studio, once said to me: “sometimes you just need to paint through the doubt and the uglies”.

10 - What kind of writing routine do you tend to keep, or do you even have one? How does a typical day (for you) begin?

I write wherever and whenever I can. Often alone while walking in the woods, or going on a run in nature. I dictate phrases and whole poems into my cell phone’s dictation app. Only later do I get to a computer and find out what I’ve spoken out loud, resembles a poem and deserves to be worked on. Here’s one that started out by being spoken aloud, “Permission Granted.”

You do not have to choose the bruised peach
 or misshapen pepper others pass over.
 You don’t have to bury
 your grandmother’s keys underneath
 her camellia bush as the will states.

You don’t need to write a poem about
 your grandfather coughing up his lung
 into that plastic tube—the machine’s wheezing
 almost masking the kvetching sisters
 in their Brooklyn kitchen.

You can let the crows amaze your son
 without your translation of their cries.
 You can lie so long under this
 summer shower your imprint
 will be left when you rise.

You can be stupid and simple as a heifer.
 Cook plum and apple turnovers in the nude.
 Revel in the flight of birds without
 dreaming of flight. Remember the taste of
 raw dough in your mouth as you edged a pie.

Feel the skin on things vibrate. Attune
 yourself. Close your eyes. Hum.
 Each beat of the world’s pulse demands
 only that you feel it. No thoughts.
 Just the single syllable: Yes …

See the homeless woman following
 the tunings of a dead composer?
 She closes her eyes and sways
 with the subways. Follow her down,
 inside, where the singing resides.

11 - When your writing gets stalled, where do you turn or return for (for lack of a better word) inspiration?

I recently heard the spoken word Poet Saul Williams read. Someone asked him about writer's block. He said, “I don’t believe there is such a thing. If you’re stalled in writing, it just means you have an absorbed enough. It’s like trying to take a shit without having eaten. Ingest the world. Then write.

12 - What fragrance reminds you of home?

Pine pitch. I would often go running through the woods of Vermont behind the farmhouse I grew up in.

13 - David W. McFadden once said that books come from books, but are there any other forms that influence your work, whether nature, music, science or visual art?

I pull from anywhere and everywhere. The book that just came out from carbonation press, Magpie on the Gallows: Poems on the art of Bosch and Bruegelwas created with my Art historian mother. Features ekphrastic poems, including one of mine. I’m also deeply influenced by music, as I was a DJ in Chicago for six years.

14 - What other writers or writings are important for your work, or simply your life outside of your work?

I’m currently writing poems and the voice of Emily Dickinson and her circle. I’ve unstuck her from space and time so she wrestles with having a cell phone, and the modern world. Her work has been crucial to mine, as well as the poems of Walt Whitman. But also the Iraqi Poets, that I’ve co-translated, the work of Paul Celan, Rilke, the prose poet Taylor Gorman, and the novels of Celeste Ng. But there are hundreds of others I could name as well.

15 - What would you like to do that you haven't yet done?

Learn Iraqi Arabic well enough to translate from it!

16 - If you could pick any other occupation to attempt, what would it be? Or, alternately, what do you think you would have ended up doing had you not been a writer?

A painter. A watercolorist. An engraver of dreams.

17 - What made you write, as opposed to doing something else?

Writing is the way I placed the world in myself, and myself in the world. Nothing is a satisfying is finding the right word or image. Here’s a poem that recently clicked into place, and says something essential I needed to hear: “Tympanic Membranes”.

Every square foot of space—occupied,

unoccupied—is song, or a stilled melody

bracketing silence.

  I tell myself not to dwell

on the ostentatious beauty of the buzzy colibrí

plundering the electric blue salvia spray,

but take in the pointer finger and thumb

pinch snagging a six-pack from ice,

the wing of a duct-taped side mirror

flapping

     over a speed bump, the strew

of possessions arrayed around the filched

briefcase that now flutters the gully with

legal briefs and pie charts.

     I try to listen:

tune in to a nearby wheel of gulls shrieking

a metallic music as they survey the dump,

and kids that pick through hubcaps and

bed springs—

   one girl chi-chings! when

she finds metal that will become money,

and a boy peels up a poster to decorate

a plywood home—what someone deems

useless still makes music.

   Our parents’

songs sing through us, ache of addictions/

benedictions/afflictions/connections: as

when my father dropped the receiver

to fall

into my mother’s arms and sob:

Pressman checked into a hotel, downed pills.

When those came back up he threw himself

through the plate glass window.

    Never’d

seen him cry before, never knew it was in

him, never loved him so much. Jazz riffs

are left for us to improvise on. No end

is given.

     Get out of the way, sounds say,

let us play through you, let the scruff

of your feet on the old woven doormat

that once read W E L C O M E,

  brashly

scrape your ears until the music stings.

18 - What was the last great book you read? What was the last great film?

Celeste Ng’s latest novel, Our Missing Hearts, a dystopian look at what might happen if the Chinese were blamed for all our problems and children were taken away from their families to avoid Chinese immigrant influence. They recall the Chinese exclusion act of the late 1800’s, but updated, and frightening. I was blown away by the illegally filmed It Was Just an Accident. The seeds for this astonishing, darkly funny, and terribly real story came from director Jafar Panahi's second prison stint, from July 2022 to February 2023. Everyone should subject themselves to it, then start working to end oppression where they live, and everywhere.

19 - What are you currently working on?

I’m finishing a manuscript about Emily Dickinson. I wrote my dissertation on her poems, and the poetry of Killarney Clary. It is time to find a form for the ideas I had back then. Here’s one that was recently published, “Emily Dickinson’s iPhone”.

You’ve surpassed your message quota for the month.
            May we recommend the Unlimited Option?

Unlimited plan – is Heaven –
but comes at a hefty price –
steals away those we love
prisons them – in Paradise.

I make my way – among the Living –
tender electric currencies –
value what can be stolen
and horde the Gift – of Fees.

So keep your paltry coffers –
I’ll dwell in this limited plan –
what rakes the heart’s hearth –
pressure of a Parting Hand.

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