Showing posts with label Patrick James Dunagan. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Patrick James Dunagan. Show all posts

Thursday, October 24, 2024

12 or 20 (second series) questions with Patrick James Dunagan

Patrick James Dunagan lives in San Francisco and works as E-resources Assistant in Gleeson Library at the University of San Francisco. He recently edited Roots & Routes: Poetics at New College (w/ Lazzara & Whittington) and David Meltzer’s Rock Tao. His new book City Bird and other poems is now out from City Lights.

1 - How did your first book change your life? How does your most recent work compare to your previous? How does it feel different?
Whether it was Josh Filan publishing my chap Young American Poets (2000) or Simone Fattal publishing my full length GUSTONBOOK (2011) having somebody you don’t personally know find your work valuable enough to publish it is a humbling experience that also encourages you onward.

City Bird & other poems differs from my previous published books in so far it is not one entire long poem or poem-series, City Lights poetry editor Garrett Caples invited a manuscript of shorter poems grouped with the long poem ‘City Bird’. I gave him a much too long manuscript along with two other short manuscripts of poems from out notebooks I had typed up. He arranged what is City Bird and other poems.

2 - How did you come to poetry first, as opposed to, say, fiction or non-fiction?

I suspect it was simply shorter lines, fewer words was more appealing. Learning concision, however, was still required.

3 - How long does it take to start any particular writing project? Does your writing initially come quickly, or is it a slow process? Do first drafts appear looking close to their final shape, or does your work come out of copious notes?

I’ve written out of pretty much any and every scenario. In the case of City Bird, it began as a tinkering with the idea of a novelette about a character named Hugh eating a sandwich. I wrote it out in ‘prose’ lines I then later went back over and put into the poetic ‘form’ they now appear in. This also involved some editing of words, etc.

4 - Where does a poem  usually begin for you? Are you an author of short pieces that end up combining into a larger project, or are you working on a "book" from the very beginning?
As I mentioned, all my previous published books are one long poem or poem-series and in these cases, as with the poem ‘City Bird’, I did indeed understand it was a whole piece being composed. Generally I would fill a notebook. Then type it up.  

5 - Are public readings part of or counter to your creative process? Are you the sort of writer who enjoys doing readings?
I have recently been enjoying doing readings and feel as if they’re getting pretty good. Last nite I read without any planning from a collaborative book Three Heads Gone written and published years ago that I hadn’t looked at in years. I just skipped about within the poems at near random yet it felt natural and sounded solid, I believe. I have also often been making little self-made chaps for each solo reading. In other words, reading different poems, usually fairly new ones, every time and arranging them in order with a cover and title, etc.

6 - Do you have any theoretical concerns behind your writing? What kinds of questions are you trying to answer with your work? What do you even think the current questions are?

I listen to the poem. It more or less writes itself. Generally, and hopefully, it is what I’d like to read. I believe writing and reading are more or less the same thing.

7 – What do you see the current role of the writer being in larger culture? Do they even have one? What do you think the role of the writer should be?

‘The Writer’ is a different thing from ‘The Poet’. I think it is always important to be as aware of as much as possible at all times and always to be learning new things. The writer imposes order. The poet listens in.

8 - Do you find the process of working with an outside editor difficult or essential (or both)?
Poetry can’t really be edited as such. With book reviews, of which I have written and published hundreds, I have found editors useful at times but probably not essential and I have definitely found them to be at times trying and quite possibly difficult. Editors of poetry magazines/journals are difficult when they reject work, which is the case for me with 99% of my poetry submissions.

9 - What is the best piece of advice you've heard (not necessarily given to you directly)?
If asked, say yes.

10 - How easy has it been for you to move between genres (poetry to critical prose)? What do you see as the appeal?
I started writing book reviews many years ago because I found myself always writing in response to reading (still do) but I was having a horrible time publishing individual poems that I sent out (still do) and I wanted to get ‘out there’ and have some skin in ‘the ballgame’. I have at times pretty much merged the two. ‘Twenty-five for Lew Welch’ in City Bird, for instance, originally appeared online as a ‘review’ of the City Lights reissuing of Ring of Bone. I think that’s fun.

11 - What kind of writing routine do you tend to keep, or do you even have one? How does a typical day (for you) begin?
I have no writing routine aside from poems usually going from being handwritten in a notebook to typed on the typewriter to then typed up again and saved as an electronic file. The day starts with bathroom business, radio news, some coffee and a walk through golden gate park, if it's a workaday.

12 - When your writing gets stalled, where do you turn or return for (for lack of a better word) inspiration?
I don’t sweat not writing. I have a nice stack of unpublished manuscripts.

13 - What was your last Hallowe'en costume?
Every day’s Halloween.

14 - David W. McFadden once said that books come from books, but are there any other forms that influence your work, whether nature, music, science or visual art?

Reading is Writing.

15 - What other writers or writings are important for your work, or simply your life outside of your work?
Friends have really pulled everything along for me and made it all possible.

16 - What would you like to do that you haven't yet done?
Not much that I’m yet aware of aside from some trips with my wife Ava. Going to Iran for a bit, for instance.

17 - If you could pick any other occupation to attempt, what would it be? Or, alternately, what do you think you would have ended up doing had you not been a writer?
I’d have most likely been employed in some fashion in the San Francisco skateboarding community if my folks hadn't up and moved from Orange County, CA to New Ipswich, NH when I was fifteen.

18 - What made you write, as opposed to doing something else?
I’d always been reading everything. Living on a dirt road in New Ipswich I started writing in high school classrooms.

19 - What was the last great book you read? What was the last great film?
I adore books like Genoa by Paul Metcalf and Hart Crane Voyaging by Hunce Voelcker. We just saw Deadpool and Wolverine in the theater, it was silly and highly amusing. I like films that go over 2 hours.

20 - What are you currently working on?

An expanded edition of The Duncan Era: One Reader’s Cosmology. Joanne Kyger suggested perhaps it could be a larger book. I’ve written further since it’s publication on Duncan, Jess, Spicer, and Blaser, which material I have now added, but also I now have some on Joanne herself, along with what I am hoping will be useful reflections on Thom Gunn and Duncan, having recently gone on a bit of a Gunn kick. Whether or not it finds a publisher, is another story.

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Saturday, August 31, 2024

Patrick James Dunagan, City Bird and Other Poems

 

FOR JOAN BROWN

Artists of California
arrogant and young, destitute in work searching
to have something to say
painting your way out the same situation for years
you guys mock each other what fluffy puppies
the struggle is not to age your age
just maintain number as symbol or sign
age you refuse represent or embody simple
isn’t it art to walk away
doesn’t speak out against struggles you don’t get
the job isn’t to make it but to make things make it
and that job is years in coming
if then you find me riding in a Cadillac
understand it ain’t mine at all but possibly
and then typically so unlikely the driver may very well be
slipping between sedimentary levels for sentiment
give such grapple to hold the night through
a cartwheel to drive the draydel
big cats on furry lounges to tempt us
harmony in the background just like that
lettme hearya now!

Patrick James Dunagan’s latest collection City Bird and Other Poems (San Francisco CA: City Lights Books, 2024), reveals him as the most San Francisco of contemporary poets, riffing off a rich history of current and historic San Francisco poets, artists and landmarks including Bill Berkson, Lew Welch, Joanne Kyger, Sunnylyn Thibodeaux, Joan Brown, Jay DeFeo, O’Farrell Street and St. Anne of the Sunset. “One whispering tales of woe to another / cow as heavenly gargoyle / spring dazzler in mystic’s ear,” he writes, to open the poem “ST. ANNE OF THE SUNSET,” a poem for the century-plus rosy-red Catholic Church in San Francisco’s Sunset District (an area originally known as the “Outside Lands”), near Golden Gate Park. There is such a sense of wonder through Dunagan’s lyrics, offering first-person laid-back declarations on and around history, awareness and magic, articulating the ordinary dailyness of existing within such a space and place, and the layerings of contemporary and historic movement that accompany. “There is // territory and then / there is territory.” he writes, deep into the title poem. “Map is our / territory in one / case but may // not be hung // dependably upon in / the next. Whenever / you are mappable / you are immigrant. / The world hostile. // Tread with care.” Across his shorter lyrics, one particular highlight is the sequence “TWENTY-FIVE FOR LEW WELCH,” providing conversation with the work and the figure of the late American poet Lew Welch (1928-1971), stepfather to musician Huey Lewis (who picked his stage name in memoriam); the Beat Generation poet who wandered into the woods of Nevada County and was never seen again. As Dunagan writes:

As a young man Welch was among the earliest, as well as by far the most readable and enlightening, of Gertrude Stein scholars.

*          *          *

There was a riot down off Market St. in San Francisco. Welch went to check it out with Ted Berrigan and Alice Notley. Outside a bar they nearly tripped over Philip Whelan who was drying out his feet, resting them on the unusually sun-warmed pavement. “Hi, Phil,” said Notley stooping down as Welch & Berrigan went inside the bar each for a piss and beer.

*          *          *

In his interview with David Meltzer, Welch identifies Charles Parker and Jack Spicer as the two men most hellbent on self-destruction he’d ever witnessed.

*          *          *

Following his prior collections There Are People Who Say That Painters Shouldn’t Talk:A Gustonbook (Post-Apollo Press, 2011), Das Gedichtete (Ugly Duckling Presse, 20130, from Book of Kings (Bird and Beckett, 2015), Drops of Rain / Drops of Wine (Spuyten Duyvil, 2016), Sketch of the Artist (FMSBW, 2018) and After the Banished (Empty Bowl, 2022), as well as a volume of criticism, The Duncan Era (Spuyten Duyvil, 2016), the first half of City Bird and Other Poems holds the title poem, the extended lyric “City Bird,” a swirling invocation and a casual, carved patter of complex layerings. “Sounding off on / any or every / possible hushed,” he writes, as part of the first page, “occluded / effort. Channeling his / thoughts, advancing upon // the world passing // round in her / song.” It would be impossible to not get caught up in the lyric sweep, and sway, of pendulous rhythm. If there are poems that swing with swagger, Dunagan’s poems provide the exact opposite, leaning his purposeful, thoughtful meandering down the scope of each page. “Every // ounce of material // asserts if factual.” he writes, as part of the title poem. “Like a cop / exploring spaced out / hippie shit, folds / of time prove // intricate.”

Thursday, December 16, 2021

Castle Grayskull: a magazine of ‘verse

 

Dick Gallup’s Things to Do

Modulate your feelings

Make the spaces real 

Keep the intellect in tune

Charge your batteries regularly

Remember what happens. (Donald Guravich)

Patrick James Dunagan was good enough to send along a copy of the first (and possibly only) issue of Castle Grayskull: a magazine of ‘verse (San Francisco CA: fall 2021), a side-stapled full-size journal containing an incredible wealth of contemporary poetry, many of whom are either San Francisco-based or have publishing relationships with City Lights Books (or: both). The list of contributors is over fifty names strong, and includes Clark Coolidge, Gregory Corso, Margaret Randall, Edmund Berrigan, Ammiel Alcalay, Joshua Beckman, Norma Cole, Kit Schluter, Cedar Sigo, Stacy Szymaszek, Ryan Newton, Sophia Dahlin, Eileen Myles, Philip Lamantia, Gillian Conoley, Chris Carosi, Anselm Berrigan, Dunagan, Jeffrey Joe Nelson, Will Alexander, Josiah Luis Alderete and Diane Di Prima. At sixty pages in length, the scope of this collection is stunning. Published by “S. Keletor” and edited by Micah Ballard and Garrett Caples, the second of whom a poet who also edits at City Lights Books, there is a simultaneous element of established and subversive elements mingling through this collection, from elements of form and production, to some of the well-established contributors running through a printed, side-stapled offering. “even the / sense / sets beat,” Norma Cole writes, to close her short lyric, “from Lost Dance.” Or “Stranglers in Love” by Julien Poirier, an extended, single-page rush to a punch that ends with: “where you and I were once locked / midair / like a couple of sumo wrestlers / in a soap bubble / like a couple / of spelling bee finalists / in an elevator / demolishing each other in a fury / whose key ingredient is trust. / It was exhausting / but we got what we came for.” Or, as the final stanza of Edmund Berrigan’s “Dream with Doug in It” reads:

Trust no one’s advice, but know their point of view,
see the world through other eyes, can I borrow
your vision, so much repeats from stage to stage,

borrowed wisdom with age expanding the shroud.

How could anyone not be charmed by an editorial, “From The Desk of Skeletor,” that opens: “Every now and again, I get the urge to read poesie, and yet all the landscape of poetry publications these days is a vast wasteland of online nothingness, very often just a PDF of a bunch of poems with so little editorial investment the poems appear in the same font in which the poem submitted his or her or their work! WHAT?!?! This is unacceptable in a day and age in which an editor has so much at hand, so many fonts that the editors of yesteryear would have given their eyeteeth to have at their disposal. It won’t do, my friends, it won’t do.” This is a publication put together relatively cheaply by someone (or multiple someones) with a remarkably good (combined) editorial eye (or eyes), able to produce a single-issue (possibly) one-off of work that is just too good to not get out into the world. There is the sense of what bpNichol referred to as “serious play” in the work of all of these writers. While those who found and continue poetry journals, there is something uniquely wonderful about the oddly-distributed one-off, reminiscent, slightly, of the sequence of journal one-offs that Stuart Ross has been producing over the years (The Northern Testicle Review, for example), or even some of the more ongoing, occasional and sadly-defunct journals such as Vancouver’s TADS (George Bowering et al) or Toronto’s COUGH (Victor Coleman, Michael Boughn et al) [see my review of the last one I saw here], or even our ongoing The Peter F. Yacht Club (although the editorial suggests that “Skeletor” might not approve of my design work on such). There is just some incredible work here, some of which really needs to be seen to be believed.

Naturally, there’s no contact or ordering information anywhere in the publication, although I would suspect that copies might be possible through the Bookstore at City Lights.